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Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.09 21:51:00 - [1] Dear CCP Your internal affair unit seems to rely on tips from players to be able to find anything , will I too be banned if I report something? Will they ever be able to find something on their own? you'll never jump alone
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:36:00 - [2] What I really want to know is if the one who placed the complexes ever had a player account in BoB you'll never jump alone
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.10 03:23:00 - [3] I can only assume that the reason that t20 wasnt fired in the summer was that then they had to tell us players what he had done. If they kept him on they could maybe get away with it. You should be ashamed , you let BoB have those BPOs for half a year just to cover your own asses. To me it looks like you tolerate cheating as long as the playerbase dont get to know about it. you'll never jump alone
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.10 17:21:00 - [4] Originally by: slothe didnt the gm who spawned an ultra raven setup and got found out get sacked? i dont understand the difference. The difference was that the public knew about it then. Noone except some people in cpp knew about it when t20 was caugght and they thought they could keep it hidden if they didnt remove the bpos or fire him. you'll never jump alone
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.10 19:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia People screamed exodus at the 4S situation, and again at the cheating GM incident, those people are still here, you people will still be here. You know that what you've got is legit for your part, I know what I have is legit, if you feel BoB used such unfair things, then how will you feel if/when you beat them? Winning with the odds against you is always better than winning when they are in your favor. The difference was that 4S got their name back and the GM was fired. No need to quit when it got a happy ending is it? But dont worry , I will be around. you'll never jump alone
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.10 23:43:00 - [6] Quote: It is my understanding that cynonet networks are a relatively new development in alliance warfare, primarily due to the recent commonness of dreads and carriers. I have been informed that t20's characters were removed from play before long before cynonetworks became common place and he was not aware of alleged account sharing. You are not so stupid that you believe that so you must be lying. The dreadnoughts had been in the game for more than a year when t20s characters where deleted. We , the regular players have seen the pictures from their cynonets so we know t20 is lying. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.10 23:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Baun Out of curiosity, if any mention of this thread is being kept from the general discussion section, how are people (read the vast majority of even the small subsection of the EVE community who read the forums actively but do not know this forum exists)supposed to find out about this or voice their concerns? Why hasn't there been an ingame news posting about this? If you aren't covering this up how can you explain this? Put it in your posts as your banner, much like my link below and take it across all the forums, name it t20 sell out. cant , they quickly delete those signatures. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Captain Hudson does even 95% of the playerbase know about this or care? i for 1 dont care, the 1 guy..1 guy !!! got caught and returened what he stole. BoB as a whole r not cheaters and i think anyone that says so are bitter little souls. Time to realise that this is not so much about t20 , but the coverup. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 02:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Viki Girl That Sabre BPO have to be the rarest and most unique BPO in game... oh come one, you seriously think that BOB only was able to kick every single aliances ass ad win all turnament because there were a Dev in one of it's corps ? Yeh right... sure.. The dev hosting the tournament and its judge is now known to be in Bob. He was handing out motherships and unique faction fitted battleships to his own alliance mates. will we ever get to see a kierion post about that? you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 10:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Hemroid Originally by: Mal Renolds CCP dont you think we wouldve liked to talk about this during fanfest? I'm sure it will be a topic at the next one.... only Bob and developers there anyway you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg

Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 11:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Avon My reputation in Eve is, I think, pretty solid. I may be in BoB, but I am not BoB. I support BoB, but I will never condone cheating. Everyone in Bob support pretexting and illegal access to other alliances forum. Bob have proudly posted that they are the best in the game at that. Originally by: Avon The ultimate future of Eve is in the hands of the community, you, me, everyone. I believe that CCP is the part that can control the future of Eve. They need to stop the lies so we can believe that we are playing on an even field. So far they are only admitting stuff we already know. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 13:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Avon When you register for the Morsus Mihi forum, did you use your real name or "Xthril Ranger"? If you used your character name, you are "pretexting" - pretending to be someone you are not. My forum name is Xthril, my email account is my real one with my real name. Every eve related website I got an account with got my real name. Originally by: Avon There is no difference between that, and you having a BoB alt and registering on their forums with that character.Both are perfectly legitimate uses of out-of-game resources, and both are done under an assumed identity. I said that you and Bob found that acceptable. You are stupid if you think that havent hurt your reputation. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Avon I meant at the time it was uncovered by CCP. Would removing the BPOs not have uncovered Dev cheating? Maybe they were left in an attempt at damage limitation? I'm not saying it is a justification, or that it would have been the right course to take. I think it is, however, more likely than the claims that they were left because CCP love BoB. You are right there. If they let bob have the bpos because they like BoB they could as well let t20 keep his characters there. The omly reason rkk continued to have the BPOs is that deleting them would make rkk ask question about where they had gone. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 14:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Counterparty The devs are not bishops or prophets or professional athletes. In the Eve-galaxy they are you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 16:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Kalroth As a friendly reminder to everyone here talking about a BoB Cynonet and why the people using it (if it exists) havn't been banned. Because GOONSWARM wasn't banned for clienthacking - a WAY WAY more serious problem and this was a proven thing not just an allegation. Next time you call upon BoB's head please include Goonswarm in the same sentence as they have committed client side hacking across their entire alliance, not just a few capital pilots sharing cyno capable characters! There is noone that suspect that hack was done with the help of or by developers. What is discussed here is why cheating under a devs supervision was allowed. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 00:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Ademaro Imre This whole thing disgusts me to no end. CCP and its employees are fixing the game, while I pay to be at a disadvantage. Does anyone have a list of upcoming space MMORPG's? I want to start checking them out. http://www.startrekonline.com/ live long and prosper. probably not my kind of game. I want a neverwinter nights of space type of game :-D you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 00:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Baun This is the wrong tack to take Avon. What you guys (and yes, many many others) do has lead inevitably to hacking as a simple short cut. Illegally lying your way into information owned by someone else might seem more acceptable to the public than hacking but that in no way implies you are allowed to do it, it only implies that the community lets people get away with it. I think you are missing my point Baun By registering on any forum and using the name of a fictional character, either everyone is pretexting, or no-one is. A character on one account is no more "legitimate" than a character on another account. Example: Avon registered on BoB forums: Pretexting: I am not Avon, he is made up. Avon4Sspy registered on the Morsus Mihi forum: Pretexting: I'm not him either. Now, which one is pretexting unfairly? Which is me? Pretexting does not apply in works of fiction, sorry. my corp forum and my alliance forum is not strictly eve online forums. Because we play a particular game doesnt mean that we give anyone rights to lie their way into our forums to cause us harm. We dont want you there. I dont care if it is called pretexting , hacking or spying. Just stay away or cross an ethical line that makes you a bastard with very low moral standards. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:02:00 - [18] Originally by: BigDave ..... Anyone wonder why summer vacations were so sacrosanct that senior amagement couldn't be involved when this first happened last year? ..... Noone is wondering about that. Kierion is telling a so obvious lie that his reputation as community manager is taking a serious nosedive. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Running Mann You know, even if SirMolle or anybody else from BoB is banned... it's ludicrous that all of them, and t20, have been given and are being given all the time in the world to hand all their possessions/isk/stolen-t2-blueprints to corpmates to hold for them until they make a new character. How much advance notice was Mr. K given so that he could shift his items and ISK to a friend? Can anybody tell me that? You're assuming they aren't already banned if they're to be banned, or if they will be banned, which is unlikely, because you won't find any MMO company that bans based off of info solely from another source. Well , SirMolle did his eula violation on this forum sos it it solely CCPs source :-D you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:41:00 - [20] Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 12/02/2007 09:34:36 An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: * a. Has had four previous warnings for breaking any rules set forth in the EULA, Terms of Service or other rules or guidelines. * b. Divulges private and/or personal information about another subscriber or an official EVE Online representative through the EVE Online client or web site. Unless of course your character name is Sir Molle in which case its ok apparently unless your character is shrike and is our favourite Titan pilot. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg

Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Kerfira The only valid PROOF that you can trust in a game like this is what is in CCP's log files! As for what actions to take concerning the game, that is SOLELY up to CCP to decide. No matter how disgustingly people in this thread describe CCP, even if they WERE like that (which I do not for a microsecond believe), they would STILL be the only source of trustworthy information. For what it is worth, I believe that CCP is honestly trying to run this game in the fairest possible way to all players. This is only sensible since they're there to make money off the game. But CCP is the part that is caught telling lies. We now cant trust CCP anymore and that is what makes this thread so long. And if you still believe that ccp wants to runs this in the fairest possible way you should be told that CCP knew that BoB had illegaly spawned tech 2 BPOs but let them have it for another 6 months and intended to let em have it forever just because they didnt want to let the rest of the players know. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Baun Originally by: merc999 You have the best signature in the history of the forums. /me ponders stealing it. isnt that from a page of signatures that someone made and encouraged people to use? go look on the alliance forum or something. There was a link in some thread. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg

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